HI thanks for the answer, my local distributor does not have records of that devices existence with regard to any firmware or tools, that is why I was asking here, but I did manage to pull full firmware from that device and compile a loader without any help from sierra (thanks seirra), I would think if its such an old device that no one cares about they would have an archive for it for company’s that refurbish and such and not keep it out of reach like they do. But thank for the suggestions.